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== caption box for pic ==

needs a caption parameter for the pic.--[[User:Dangerous-Boy|D-Boy]] 17:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
:I've added a provision to include a caption now. Please see if it is okay.--[[User:Deepujoseph|thunderboltz]][[user_talk:Deepujoseph|<sup style="color:green;">(Deepu)</sup>]] 15:45, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

==Script name==
Instead of having 2 separate lines for script name and script - can we have it in a single line? To be more clear, right now under the name section, we show:

Script name :	Malayalam

Script :	വൈക്കം മഹാദേവ ക്ഷേത്രം


Can the box be updated to show it as 

Malayalam: വൈക്കം മഹാദേവ ക്ഷേത്രം

- [[User:Virtualage|Virtualage]] ([[User talk:Virtualage|talk]]) 04:57, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

: Sure, I can do that. [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 23:54, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

== Why is the image parameter deprecated? ==

Why is the image parameter deprecated? [[User:Banaticus|Banaticus]] ([[User talk:Banaticus|talk]]) 02:58, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
:Nobody knows?  Should it be undeprecated? [[User:Banaticus|Banaticus]] ([[User talk:Banaticus|talk]]) 04:04, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

==Telugu==
Needs Telugu field in the script. [[Telugu language]] being 3rd largest spoken in India.--[[User:Vin09|Vin09]] ([[User talk:Vin09|talk]]) 15:26, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
: [[User:Vin09|Vin09]], a few options.  (1) we can add this as a parameter, we just need to know the placement, (2) we go with the method used by {{tl|infobox settlement}}, which allows for free form transliteration parameters, (3) we used something like {{tl|infobox name module}}.  [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 14:17, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

== Marker ==

{{ping|Frietjes}} the symbol for Hindu temples in many maps, such as the [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Khajuraho_temples_map.jpg OpenStreet map], is the om symbol. Is it possible to replace the the gray triangle marker in this template with the om ([[File:Om symbol.svg|12px|link=|alt=]]) symbol? [[User:Ms Sarah Welch|Ms Sarah Welch]] ([[User talk:Ms Sarah Welch|talk]]) 18:39, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
: possible, yes, but we should see if anyone objects.  the only major issue I see would be colour contrast. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 18:40, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
::@Frietjes: choose whatever color combination works. [[User:Ms Sarah Welch|Ms Sarah Welch]] ([[User talk:Ms Sarah Welch|talk]]) 18:57, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
:::[[User:Ms Sarah Welch|Ms Sarah Welch]], done, will see if anyone complains. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 19:01, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

== Replace all languages with Native name ==

Hi can we replace all languages (tamil, malayalam, chinese, bengali, etc.) with native_name and native_name_lang. I believe adding only few languages may lead to disputes and may be it is violating neutral point of view (NPOV) policy of Wikipedia as
1. India is having many languages and
2. Temples are distributed not only in the states where the mentioned languages are spoken but all over India.
And always I believe it would be better that a temple be mentioned in English and its native name only instead of all other language. This may reduce disputes. [[User:agasthyathepirate|agasthyathepirate]] agasthya 19:06, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
: [[User:agasthyathepirate|agasthyathepirate]], I added {{para|native_name}} and {{para|native_name_lang}}. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 14:21, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
:: Since we have native name now, shouldn't the different languages be removed {{u|Frietjes}} & {{u|agasthyathepirate}}? -- Pankaj Jain ''[[User:Capankajsmilyo|Capankajsmilyo]] <span class="plainlinks">([[User talk:Capankajsmilyo|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Capankajsmilyo|contribs]]&nbsp;'''·''' [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Capankajsmilyo&project=en.wikipedia.org count])</span>'' 03:10, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
::: Yes {{u|Capankajsmilyo}}, native name can refer to all different languages in India. Thats my initial suggestion too, to remove all local languages. {{u|Frietjes}}, I hope we can remove all local languages with a single native name. [[User:agasthyathepirate|agasthyathepirate]][[User talk:agasthyathepirate|(talk)]] 13:43, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
:::: {{ping|Capankajsmilyo|agasthyathepirate}}, first we need to empty [[:Category:Pages using infobox Hindu temple with multiple names]] by moving those to the {{para|native_name}} possibly using the {{tl|native name}} template to visibly indicate the language where appropriate.  a bot could be useful for this task. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 14:16, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
::::: {{ping|Frietjes}} Can it be done with a script or it has to be done manually? -- Pankaj Jain ''[[User:Capankajsmilyo|Capankajsmilyo]] <span class="plainlinks">([[User talk:Capankajsmilyo|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Capankajsmilyo|contribs]]&nbsp;'''·''' [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Capankajsmilyo&project=en.wikipedia.org count])</span>'' 16:24, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
::::::{{u|Capankajsmilyo}}, I could write some javascript to do it.  [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 17:44, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
:::I disagree with this, [[User:agasthyathepirate|Agasthya]]. A settlement within a linguistic region may use its native language alone. But in case of temples, this doesn't apply. 1) many temples have been renovated by kings of different regions and have inscriptions in different languages. 2) though temple is in a linguistic region in present day, it need not the be case always. Some have been in different linguistic region earlier. 3) Some temples are in border regions and have names in different languages (not talking about variant of same name) 4) Many Temples have been mentioned in literary works of different languages. 5) Some temples still use multiple languages to worship the gods and hymns/mantras/poems are in different languages. So, I would suggest adding the native name as well as in english and also in the relevant languages in which the temple is mentioned historically or has a literary work based on that in that language. This way we can include the appropriate ones. All the above mentioned points invalidate your second point. "India has thousands of languages" is not a valid statement here. We aren't adding all(or specific) languages (with intention) to create disputes. In case, if any language is associated with a temple, let it be included. I am not talking about giving variations of a same name in different languages(like chandra, chandran).  I hope this doesn't create dispute :) -[[User:தமிழ்க்குரிசில்|தமிழ்க்குரிசில்]] ([[User talk:தமிழ்க்குரிசில்|talk]]) 16:26, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::::{{ping|Frietjes}} Can you please write and run that script. Thanks in advance. -- Pankaj Jain ''[[User:Capankajsmilyo|Capankajsmilyo]] <span class="plainlinks">([[User talk:Capankajsmilyo|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Capankajsmilyo|contribs]]&nbsp;'''·''' [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Capankajsmilyo&project=en.wikipedia.org count])</span>'' 03:13, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::::: I could write some javascript to do most of it, but I'm not going to be the one to execute it. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 15:09, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::I will be happy to try if you could let me know how to do it. -- Pankaj Jain ''[[User:Capankajsmilyo|Capankajsmilyo]] <span class="plainlinks">([[User talk:Capankajsmilyo|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Capankajsmilyo|contribs]]&nbsp;'''·''' [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Capankajsmilyo&project=en.wikipedia.org count])</span>'' 16:30, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
===How to choose===
Someone here needs to figure out how to choose which native name to use, in which language, for articles like [[Annapurna Devi Mandir]] (four non-English names) in {{cl|Pages using infobox Hindu temple with multiple names}}. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 14:04, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
:In case of many names, opt for none. Further, you can see [[MOS:IS]] for some clarity. -- Pankaj Jain ''[[User:Capankajsmilyo|Capankajsmilyo]] <span class="plainlinks">([[User talk:Capankajsmilyo|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Capankajsmilyo|contribs]]&nbsp;'''·''' [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Capankajsmilyo&project=en.wikipedia.org count])</span>'' 14:51, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
::That looks easy, then. In the section above, you appeared to be waiting for instructions on how to clean up the category. It looks like you can simply go into the articles in the category and strip out the various parameters with script names. It's only 1000 pages, so it shouldn't take too long. Go for it, and let me know if you get stuck. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 18:04, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
:::Thanks, 1000 pages manually is not possible. Is there any script? -- Pankaj Jain ''[[User:Capankajsmilyo|Capankajsmilyo]] <span class="plainlinks">([[User talk:Capankajsmilyo|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Capankajsmilyo|contribs]]&nbsp;'''·''' [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Capankajsmilyo&project=en.wikipedia.org count])</span>'' 18:35, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
::::??? I fixed 100+ pages for you in half an hour the other day, without using a script. In what way is 1,000 pages "not possible"? Open up 20 or 30 pages in browser tabs, click Edit on each one, delete the language parameters, click Save. Then do another 20 or 30 pages. If you do 30 a day, you'll be done in a month. I find that it takes much less than one minute per page. (edited to add: I think the number of pages with actual script language parameters is closer to 350. Work on the pages in {{cl|Pages using infobox Hindu temple with unknown parameters}} first, and then I'll take another look at the template code to see why there are so many more in the "multiple names" category.)– [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 21:08, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
===Sorting remaining "name" parameters===
It looks like there are a few hundred articles using one of the "name" parameters that do not exist in Infobox religious building. The only allowed name parameters are {{para|name}}, {{para|native_name}}, and {{para|native_name_lang}}. I have adjusted the template to find articles using those parameters and place them in {{cl|Pages using infobox Hindu temple with multiple names}}. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 14:17, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

===Cleaned===

{{done}} Last week I have celaned up the ~800 infoboxes with these language issues in . {{clc|Category:Pages using infobox Hindu temple with multiple names}} had some 100 articles with multiple parameters used: {{para|native_name, proper_name, other_names, script, script_lang}}. Also, {{clc|Pages using infobox Hindu temple with unknown parameters}} listed infoboxes that used only one single abandoned parameter (usually {{para|proper_name}}; ~800). I used the most useful name in {{tl|native_name}}, usually a single local language name (in non-Latin script). Also when a name in English was strongly different from article title or infobox title, I kept it in {{Para|native_name}}. Also when the extra names was made extra carefully (e.g., using {{tlf|lang}} template) I kept those. In other cases, I deleted the extra names and the abandoned parameters. Keeping a meaningful different name this way implies also that the name kept may not exactly be a ''native name''. I preferred keeping the info instead of over-deleting. Sometime the {{para|name}} needed an adjustment along in the process.

The abandoned parameters {{para|proper_name, other_names, script, script_lang}} now are unused and removed (and declared unknown). I will have the dedicated code and its category deleted (not the uknown parameters category). -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 23:38, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
:{{para|native_name}} should not be removed. Please strike it from the list above. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 10:12, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
::You're right. It was added because I worked with it. Gone now. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 11:10, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

==Complete merge?==
I have cleaned the whole 1000+ pages. Is the template ready for being converted into redirect? -- Pankaj Jain ''[[User:Capankajsmilyo|Capankajsmilyo]] <span class="plainlinks">([[User talk:Capankajsmilyo|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Capankajsmilyo|contribs]] '''·''' [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Capankajsmilyo&project=en.wikipedia.org count])</span>'' 05:58, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
:Wow, great work! Did you have a plan for {{cl|Pages using infobox Hindu temple with multiple names}}? – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 13:49, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
::The are deprecated anyways, can be cleared post redirect too. -- Pankaj Jain ''[[User:Capankajsmilyo|Capankajsmilyo]] <span class="plainlinks">([[User talk:Capankajsmilyo|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Capankajsmilyo|contribs]] '''·''' [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Capankajsmilyo&project=en.wikipedia.org count])</span>'' 00:32, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

== Redirect without finishing maintenance categories?  ==

This template has been turned into a redirect, but there are still 900+ pages in {{clc|Pages using infobox Hindu temple with unknown parameters}} and 136 pages in {{clc|Pages using infobox Hindu temple with multiple names}}. Those should probably be fixed before the template is redirected; the categories will slowly empty out on their own now that the template has been redirected, but the errors will still be present in the articles. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 04:03, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

== The merge ==

About the '''merge''' of {{tl|Infobox Hindu temple}} into {{tl|Infobox religious building}}, as was concluded by [[Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2017_March_28#Template:Infobox_Hindu_temple|this TfD]] (2017-03-28).
I have picked up the intended merge task. 
If you see anything unexpected, or have a question, please post here on ''this'' page. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 21:22, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

===Step 1: cleanup, make good doc===
First step I made was to clean up the documentation & maintenance categories, to stabilise the {{abbr|1=IST|2=German: "as it is today". Opposite: SOLL=should be}} situation. By now, the documentation shows the actual template options. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 21:22, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
:Below, I propose [[#Parameter_improvement]]. When accepted, the new parameter names will be requested for the target infobox. Make a nicer, clean list. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 13:31, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
:::I have [[Template_talk:Infobox_Hindu_temple#Cleaned|#cleaned]] all multiple names. Tried to keep a useful {{para|native_name}}, remove others & abandoned parameters. Also other unknown parameters (emptied the category). Some 900 articles affected (edited). -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 07:37, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

===Step 2: target template preparation===
:(later more) -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 21:22, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

I recommend taking a look at what I did to merge [[:Template:Infobox Tibetan Buddhist monastery]], which is somewhat similar in that it also became a wrapper template. Clear out the maintenance category first (I cleaned up a few pages in the last few days, but as of this writing, there are 561 left to fix). Then update the sandbox to a wrapper template and make sure the testcases page has a good set of test cases that use all supported parameters. Once the sandbox rendering matches the original template as much as is reasonable (given that a merge is needed), you can move the wrapper version from the sandbox into the live template. 

One difference in this case is that you might need to have new parameters added to {{tl|Infobox religious building}}, as indicated in the TfD discussion. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 21:38, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
:Yesss. Is also why I used the "preparation" wording. I think datarows/parameters like {{para|1=Pushkarani}} ([[Temple tank]], a building feature) could be added to the target template. I am preparing that request to add such Hindu data rows. The merge says: add 1500 articles to 6000 current instances. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 21:56, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

:Improvements before-merging are discussed & done per separate section [[#Parameter improvement]]. By now, these are done. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 16:42, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

===Step 3: After-merge parameter handling===
{{hatnote|1=Useful links:}}
:Target template: {{tl|Infobox religious building}} (or IBRB; btw this one does not require changes at this moment)

:Wrapper template (the "old" template; we want to pass through the parameters to IBRB while keeping same parameter meanings & workings).
::{{lts|Infobox Hindu temple}}
::{{tl|Infobox Hindu temple/sandbox}} (pls do not edit untalked)
::{{tl|Infobox Hindu temple/testcases}}

::{{tl|Infobox Hindu temple/doc/sandbox}} -- new documentation, prepared
Below, I have mapped all involved parameters and their fate.

;Considerations
* {{para|religious affiliation}} by default is <code><nowiki>[[Hinduism]]</nowiki></code> (orange sectionheaders). Entering anything other than a Hinduism-variant would be inconsistent. See [[Template:Infobox_religious_building#Religious_affiliation_and_its_color|Religious affiliation and its color]].

* We could consider changing IBRB: label "Tradition" to have #if:hindu Hindu denominations by color.
* {{clc|Pages using infobox Hindu temple with unknown parameters}}
* When all this is considered stable & ok, I will propose to changeover. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 17:21, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

====Old parameters, kept====

These parameters will show regularly, formatted and ordered by IBRB:
{{collapse top|title=Existing parameters kept|bg=#ccc}}

<pre>
alt
architect
architecture
caption
coordinates
coordinates_footnotes
country
creator
founded_by
deity
district
elevation_footnotes
elevation_ft
elevation_m
embedded
established
facade_direction
festival
festivals
footnotes
governing_body
image
image_upright
inscriptions
locale
location
map_alt
map_caption
map_size
map_type
map_relief
monument_quantity
name
native_name
native_name_lang
province
state
temple_board
temple_quantity
temple_tank
temple_tree
tower
tradition
website
year_completed
</pre>
{{collapse bottom}}

For {{para|embedded}}: change of usage (effect), see also NRHP set

;Added related complementary parameters (available in IBRB):
:{{xt|elevation_ft}} next to _m
:{{xt|image_upright}} ({{!xt|image_size}} was removed before)
:{{xt|map_relief}}

====Old parameters, removed====

These parameterrs are abandoned. They are unused, insignificant, had a synonym etc. This is a cleanup, we don't want to maintain useless parameters (better: make parameters similar to those in IBRB). See also [https://tools.wmflabs.org/bambots/TemplateParam.php?wiki=enwiki&template=Infobox+Hindu+temple TD monthly report].

:{{para|<s>image_alt</s>}} ununsed in the IBRB. use {{para|alt}}
:{{para|<s>coordinates_label</s>}} ununsed, in the IBRB, not useful
:{{para|<s>date_built</s>}} ununsed, use {{para|year_completed}} in both IBs
:{{para|<s>date_established</s>}} ununsed, use {{para|established}} (51x), in both IBs
:{{para|<s>pushpin_label_position</s>}} Not in IBRB. adds ~nothing, default is fine. Usage was: 6 left, 6 right, but no visible effect.

====New parameters, designations like NRHP====

* {{para|embedded|yes}}: change into IBRB usage!
:Articles affected (per TDmer): [[Sri Thendayuthapani Temple]], [[Sri Mariamman Temple, Singapore]]: to edit after changeover.

<pre>
<!-- NRHP -->
| nrhp =
| added =
| refnum =
| designated =
<!-- DESIGNATION1 -->
| embedded =
| designation1 =
| designation1_type =
| designation1_offname =
| designation1_criteria =
| designation1_date =
| delisted1_date =
| designation1_parent =
| designation1_number =
| designation1_free1value =
| designation1_free2value =
| designation1_free3value =
</pre>
====New parameters: easily added from IBRB====
Some parameters are available in IBRB, and are not conflicting or overlapping so they can easily be added (such as {{para|height_max}}).

<pre>
| organisational_status =
| organizational_status =
| functional_status     =
| architecture_style    =
| founded_by            =
| groundbreaking        =
| date_demolished       =
| length                =
| width                 =
| height_max            =
| site_area             =
| materials             =
</pre>
====Synonyms====

There will be these synonyms:
* {{xt|architecture_type}} = {{para|architecture}}, (both show)
::(next to new, separate {{xt|architecture_style}})
* {{xt|governing_body}} and {{xt|temple_board}}: both appear as governing_body in IBRB
* {{xt|elevation_ft}} ({{xt|elevation_m}} takes precedence)
* {{xt|festival}} = {{xt|festivals}} (-s takes precedence; changes labeltext)
* {{xt|founded_by}} = {{xt|creator}} (founded_by takes precedence, label change. Usage IBHT:  400+0)
* {{xt|locale}} = {{xt|location}} (location takes precedence)
* {{xt|organizational_status}} = {{xt|organizational_status}}, -S- input takes precedence (no label change).
* {{xt|province}} not {{xt|state}}  (state takes precedence)

===Step 4: Sandbox live===
:{{yellow tick}} Preparing. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 11:26, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
:{{done}}. Updated documentation. Edited [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sri_Mariamman_Temple,_Singapore&curid=1545507&diff=888781332&oldid=886946235&diffmode=source], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sri_Thendayuthapani_Temple&curid=6022718&diff=888781504&oldid=886945456&diffmode=source] to use new embedding principle. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 12:06, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

== Parameter improvement ==
{{infobox Hindu temple
| name = infobox Hindu temple<br>parameters
| deity = deity
| Direction_posture = facade_direction
| Pushakarani = temple_tank
| Vimanam = tower

| tower_height = tower_height
| Tradition = tradition
| sthala_vriksha = temple_tree
}}
I '''propose''' to improve some parameter names by adding an alias (synonym) parameter.

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size:85%"
|-
! label shown
! links to
! parameter
! style="background:lemonchiffon" | alias (new param)
! example article
! input
|-
| Sanctum
| [[Garbhagriha]] 
| {{para|deity}}
| style="background:lemonchiffon" | 
| [[Banteay Kdei]]
| [[Avalokitesvara]], Buddhist Temple
|-   
| Direction and posture
|
| {{para|Direction_posture}}
| style="background:lemonchiffon" | <s>{{para|direction_posture}}</s><br>{{para|facade_direction}}
| {{bulletedlist|[[Kalyana Venkateswara Temple, Srinivasamangapuram]]|[[Pazhavangadi Ganapathy Temple]]}}
| {{bulletedlist|[deity:] Standing and facing east with right hand in [[Mudra#Varada Mudrā|Varada]] posture and left hand in Kati posture |East Facing Seated posture with right leg folded}}

|-
| Temple tank
| [[Pushkarani]]
| {{para|Pushakarani}}
| style="background:lemonchiffon" | {{para|temple_tank}}
| {{bulletedlist|[[Rajagopalaswamy Temple, Mannargudi]]|[[Agniswarar Temple, Kanjanur]]}}
| {{bulletedlist| [[Haridra Nadhi]]| Agni [[Theertham]], Parasara [[Theertham]]}}
|-
| Tower
| [[Vimana (architectural feature)]] <br>(not [[Gopuram]]=entrance tower)
| {{para|Vimanam}}
| style="background:lemonchiffon" | {{para|tower}}<br>{{para|tower_height}}
(add tower height option)
|{{bulletlist|[[Thiru Aadanoor Temple]]|[[Thiruppaarththanpalli]]}}
|{{bulletlist|Pranava|Narayana }}
|-
| Tradition
| [[Hindu denominations]]
| {{para|Tradition}}
| style="background:lemonchiffon" | {{para|tradition}}
| {{bulleted list|[[Baijnath Temple]]|Kartikeya Temple, Pehowa}}
| {{bulletedlist|Hinduism ([[Saivism]])|[[Shaivism]]}}
|-
| Temple tree
| [[Sthala Vriksha]]
| {{para|sthala_vriksha}}
| style="background:lemonchiffon" | {{para|temple_tree}}
| {{bulletedlist|[[Pasupatheeswarar Temple, Aavoor]]|[[Thirukoteeswarar Temple]]}}
| {{bulletedlist|Arasa Maram|Pirambu}}
|}

* Target template to merge into: {{tl|Infobox religious building}}

* [[Hindu temple]], [[Hindu temple architecture]]

The issues with the listed parameters are:
# Using initial capital, irregular and confusing in the parameter list
# Foreign name is not recognisable for editors, nor does it show in the labeltext (lefthand text in infobox).
The proposed name is the one shown in labeltext. The parameter will be an ''alias'': next to the existing one (the existing name will still be supported).

I have no opinion on whether these parameters should be kept in there. Sure they are architectural features, but I could find few or no examples of actual uses. Remember, the parameter input should be something like the name (even better: <nowiki>[[article title]]</nowiki>) of such an element. [[Temple tank]]s are really named sometimes, but the other input ones rarely so. This proposal says 'keep' all, but each could be discussed wrt this. (IOW, are they weighty enough to be in the infobox?).

Comments? pinging talkpage people <s>{{@|Vin09|Ms Sarah Welch|Capankajsmilyo|agasthyathepirate|தமிழ்க்குரிசில்|Jonesey95}}</s>-[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 13:25, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
:Correct ping: {{ping|Vin09|Ms Sarah Welch|Capankajsmilyo|agasthyathepirate|தமிழ்க்குரிசில்|Jonesey95}} -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 13:28, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

:To be clear: I could have added those parameters boldly, no harm done. This post is just to check their weight or relevance. I am not familiar with Hindu-ism. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 19:34, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
::I support all of the above. We could possibly map {{para|tradition}} to {{para|sect}}. The meaning seems to be the same to me, but I could be missing a significant difference. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 20:01, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
:::I agree with converting all the "too technical" terms to standard ones. [[User:Capankajsmilyo|Capankajsmilyo]]<sup>([[User talk:Capankajsmilyo|Talk]] | [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Infoboxes/assistance|Infobox assistance]])</sup> 00:27, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
::::*OK. I have decided to remove the old parameters (not keep them aside). Will research their usage. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 07:46, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

*Now that we have the occurrences listed ([[#Articles with these parameters]], 88 pages) we can take a better look. Issues:
:#In general, ask these data entries to be added to the target template.
:#Direction_posture is actually about the deity, not facade. Ask a separate entry in target template (different from facade orientation)?
:#Vimanam is the central tower, there also is [[Gopuram]]=entrance tower, can be the big one. Also wrt height. Accept both? What to link to?
:-[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 09:43, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
::{{ping|DePiep}} Please consider a more careful, RS-based choice of terms. You may wish to also include plural forms. Buddhist, Hindu and Jain temples can have, the big ones do have, many "towers" (some of which are merely gates, not sanctum-related). The historic, notable temples have multiple sanctums with different icons, multiple sanctums under the same spire, many deities, and so on, designed with a particular theme according to their historic Sanskrit or regional language-based manuals. Many details such as "direction of sanctum" may be better left to the main article, as a mega-infobox is distracting and gets filled with unsourced nonsense by flyby wiki-tourists. We, as a wikipedia community, then spread misinformation with our instinctive AGF. Infobox should not become a substitute for the encyclopedic article, rather it is better if the infobox is a distilled summary of key, well-sourced information. I urge you to locate and use terms that are in the mainstream scholarly sources for those terms you decide to include. For example, the multi-volume ''[https://books.google.com/books?id=8LIyAQAAIAAJ Encyclopaedia of Indian Temple Architecture]'' edited by Michael W. Meister is a good relatively recent RS. You may also wish to consider publications by George Mitchell, Krishna Deva, Stella Kramrisch, Madhusudan Dhaky, Vinayak Bharne, ‎Krupali Krusche, Adam Hardy and other scholars. Your initiative and efforts, DePiep, are welcome. [[User:Ms Sarah Welch|Ms Sarah Welch]] ([[User talk:Ms Sarah Welch|talk]]) 13:22, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

===Articles with these parameters===
From current {{clc|Pages using infobox Hindu temple with unknown parameters}}. 88 articles have input for the deprecated parameters:
<pre>
| Direction_posture => facade_direction
| Pushakarani => temple_tank
| Vimanam => tower
| Tradition => tradition
| sthala_vriksha => temple_tree
</pre>
{| border=1 class="wikitable sortable collapsible collapsed" style="font-size:85%; width:20em;"
! Title 
|-
| [[Muktinath|Muktinath]]
|-
| [[Thiruppathisaram|Thiruppathisaram]]
|-
| [[Ranganathaswamy Temple, Srirangam|Ranganathaswamy Temple]]
|-
| [[Sun Temple, Modhera|Sun Temple]]
|-
| [[Vaitheeswaran Koil|Vaitheeswaran Koil]]
|-
| [[Nataraja Temple, Chidambaram|Nataraja Temple]]
|-
| [[Ramappa Temple|Ramappa Temple]]
|-
| [[Nellaiappar Temple|Nellaiappar Temple]]
|-
| [[Meenakshi Temple|Meenakshi Temple]]
|-
| [[Thiruvangad Sree Ramaswami Temple|Thiruvangad Sree Ramaswami Temple]]
|-
| [[Arunachalesvara Temple|Arunachalesvara Temple]]
|-
| [[Thirukadalmallai|Thirukadalmallai]]
|-
| [[Thiruevvul|Thiruevvul]]
|-
| [[Sundararaja Perumal temple|Sundararaja Perumal temple]]
|-
| [[Sthalasayana Perumal Temple, Tirusirupuliyur|Sthalasayana Perumal Temple]]
|-
| [[Thenupuriswarar Temple, Patteeswaram|Thenupuriswarar Temple]]
|-
| [[Kartikeya Temple, Pehowa|Kartikeya Temple]]
|-
| [[Srinivasa Perumal Temple, Kudavasal|Srinivasa Perumal Temple]]
|-
| [[Thirupparaithurai|Thirupparaithurai]]
|-
| [[Sreevallabha Temple|Sreevallabha Temple]]
|-
| [[Ulagalantha Perumal Temple, Kanchipuram|Ulagalantha Perumal Temple]]
|-
| [[Tiruvaikavur Temple|Tiruvaikavur Temple]]
|-
| [[Baijnath Temple|Baijnath Temple]]
|-
| [[Rajagopalaswamy Temple, Mannargudi|Rajagopalaswamy Temple]]
|-
| [[Mahalingeswarar Temple, Thiruvidaimarudur|Mahalingeswarar Temple]]
|-
| [[Ranganathaswamy Temple, Jiyaguda|Ranganathaswamy Temple]]
|-
| [[Polali Rajarajeshwari Temple|Polali Rajarajeshwari Temple]]
|-
| [[Kazheesirama Vinnagaram|Kazheesirama Vinnagaram]]
|-
| [[Pazhavangadi Ganapathy Temple|Pazhavangadi Ganapathy Temple]]
|-
| [[Nageswaraswamy Temple, Kumbakonam|Nageswaraswamy Temple]]
|-
| [[Kasi Viswanathar Temple, Kumbakonam|Kasi Viswanathar Temple]]
|-
| [[Anbil Sathyavaheesvarar temple|Anbil Sathyavaheesvarar temple]]
|-
| [[Maanturai Amravaneswarar Temple|Maanturai Amravaneswarar Temple]]
|-
| [[Garbharakshambigai temple|Garbharakshambigai temple]]
|-
| [[Thiruvisanallur Sivayoginathar Temple|Thiruvisanallur Sivayoginathar Temple]]
|-
| [[Agniswarar Temple, Kanjanur|Agniswarar Temple]]
|-
| [[Saranathan temple|Saranathan temple]]
|-
| [[Thirumoozhikkulam Lakshmana Perumal Temple|Thirumoozhikkulam Lakshmana Perumal Temple]]
|-
| [[Kola Valvill Ramar Temple, Tiruvelliyangudi|Kola Valvill Ramar Temple]]
|-
| [[Nagannathaswamy Temple, Keezhaperumpallam|Nagannathaswamy Temple]]
|-
| [[Thiruchsemponsey|Thiruchsemponsey]]
|-
| [[Thiruvaikunda Vinnagaram|Thiruvaikunda Vinnagaram]]
|-
| [[Thirumanimadam|Thirumanimadam]]
|-
| [[Thiruthevanartthogai|Thiruthevanartthogai]]
|-
| [[Thiruthetriyambalam|Thiruthetriyambalam]]
|-
| [[Thirumanikkoodam|Thirumanikkoodam]]
|-
| [[Thiruvellakkulam|Thiruvellakkulam]]
|-
| [[Thiruppaarththanpalli|Thiruppaarththanpalli]]
|-
| [[Thalai Sanga Nanmathiyam|Thalai Sanga Nanmathiyam]]
|-
| [[Parimala Ranganatha Perumal temple|Parimala Ranganatha Perumal temple]]
|-
| [[Loganatha Perumal Temple|Loganatha Perumal Temple]]
|-
| [[Gajendra Varadha Temple|Gajendra Varadha Temple]]
|-
| [[Bhaktavatsala Perumal temple, Tirukannamangai|Bhaktavatsala Perumal temple]]
|-
| [[Ulagalantha Perumal Temple, Tirukoyilur|Ulagalantha Perumal Temple]]
|-
| [[Thiru Aadanoor Temple|Thiru Aadanoor Temple]]
|-
| [[Thirupullabhoothangudi Temple|Thirupullabhoothangudi Temple]]
|-
| [[Srivaikuntanathan Permual temple|Srivaikuntanathan Permual temple]]
|-
| [[ThiruVaragunamangai Perumal Temple|ThiruVaragunamangai Perumal Temple]]
|-
| [[Alwarthirunagari Temple|Alwarthirunagari Temple]]
|-
| [[Vanamamalai Perumal temple|Vanamamalai Perumal temple]]
|-
| [[Thirupuliyangudi Perumal Temple|Thirupuliyangudi Perumal Temple]]
|-
| [[Irattai Thiruppathy|Irattai Thiruppathy]]
|-
| [[Srinivasa Perumal Temple, Tirukulandhai|Srinivasa Perumal Temple]]
|-
| [[Makara Nedunkuzhaikathar Temple|Makara Nedunkuzhaikathar Temple]]
|-
| [[Vaithamanidhi Perumal Temple|Vaithamanidhi Perumal Temple]]
|-
| [[Naimisaranya|Naimisaranya]]
|-
| [[Uthirakosamangai|Uthirakosamangai]]
|-
| [[Masilamaniswara Temple, Thirumullaivoyal|Masilamaniswara Temple]]
|-
| [[Vandiyur Mariamman Temple|Vandiyur Mariamman Temple]]
|-
| [[Nainativu Nagapooshani Amman Temple|Nainativu Nagapooshani Amman Temple]]
|-
| [[Pasupatheeswarar Temple, Aavoor|Pasupatheeswarar Temple]]
|-
| [[Masilamaniswara Temple, Thiruvaduthurai|Masilamaniswara Temple]]
|-
| [[Amirthakadeswarar Temple, Sakkottai|Amirthakadeswarar Temple]]
|-
| [[Mudikondan Kothandaramar Temple|Mudikondan Kothandaramar Temple]]
|-
| [[Thirukoteeswarar Temple|Thirukoteeswarar Temple]]
|-
| [[Kodandarama Temple, Tirupati|Kodandarama Temple]]
|-
| [[Arjuneswarar|Arjuneswarar]]
|-
| [[Dhenupureeswarar Temple (Madambakkam)|Dhenupureeswarar Temple]]
|-
| [[Ardhanareeswarar temple, Tiruchengode|Ardhanareeswarar temple]]
|-
| [[Chikka Tirupati|Chikka Tirupati]]
|-
| [[Narasimhaswamy Temple, Namakkal|Narasimhaswamy Temple]]
|-
| [[Prasanna Venkateswara Temple, Appalayagunta|Prasanna Venkateswara Temple]]
|-
| [[Abaya Hastha Swayambu Sri Lakshmi Narasimha Swamy Temple, Agaram Village, Hosur|Abaya Hastha Swayambu Sri Lakshmi Narasimha Swamy Temple]]
|-
| [[Kalyana Venkateswara Temple, Srinivasamangapuram|Kalyana Venkateswara Temple]]
|-
| [[Nithyakalyana Perumal temple|Nithyakalyana Perumal temple]]
|-
| [[Pura Girinatha|Pura Girinatha]]
|-
| [[Shiva temple, Muscat|Shiva temple]]
|-
| [[Sri Rajagopala Swamy temple|Sri Rajagopala Swamy temple]]
|}
I support conversion of these parameter names to the proposed lower-case, English-language parameter names. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 09:48, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
:I will change those in the articles (~87 by now). After that, the merge is a bit simpler (no need to merge those deprecated synonyms). -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 10:23, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

== District appearing under Religion ==

It would seem that District should appear under Location. [[User:Gjs238|Gjs238]] ([[User talk:Gjs238|talk]]) 13:50, 15 September 2023 (UTC)